It's people like tec that made me an atheist, because (mmmm I am repeating myself) she can not prove that what she calls god is not zeus, satan or any other known deity, and that she thinks god is a loving god, Hitchens sums it perfectly.
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How to prove God does not exist?
by UBM101 inmany times (almost all the time) atheists asking for proof of god's existence from those who believe that god exists.
perhaps at times they should prove he doesn't exist.
any taker?
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How to prove God does not exist?
by UBM101 inmany times (almost all the time) atheists asking for proof of god's existence from those who believe that god exists.
perhaps at times they should prove he doesn't exist.
any taker?
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tornapart quoted Jack - Quote from C S Lewis... an atheist who bacame a christian.
" My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such a violent reaction against it?... Of course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if i did that, then my argument against God collapsed too--for the argument depended on saying the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my fancies. Thus, in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist - in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless - I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality - namely my idea of justice - was full of sense. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never have known it was dark. Dark would be without meaning."
That's one big strawman, not sound for the cruelty and unjustice of God (rather than proof of god which he is not talking about) but the argument itself is addressing the ying and yan, that we can not know what is good without knowing what is bad yes. But this does not address is argument, it does not explain god's shifts of personality, this is the style of Lewis, sounds intelligent but its filled with assumptions that has nothing to do with the argument.
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Did Cedars manipulate Lee into having a thread closed?
by cedars ini will happily answer this question if there can be some guarantees this thread won't be deleted..
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Bookmarket ***makes popcorn***
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"you're pretty compassionate for an atheist"
by Hortensia inmy favorite compliment of the day.
what a lot of assumptions people have about what makes an atheist tick..
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I am an atheist that knows very little about evolution or the Big Bang, I became an atheist because of controlling cults and religion. The thing I hate most about religion is the religious prejedous that they think they are justified by hidding behind deity in a book of fiction, that racist sexist homophobe genocidal pro death multi personality maniac of a god.
I just can't stand a person who claims and preaches as a christian, little does he know that there is little different between god and hitler (or any human dictator for that matter) a religioun that had enslaved many african americans, a religion that has condemned gays to death, adulteres etc. And that the bible was used for anyone to defend their country which according to history christian nations have thought other christian nations.
And this post by our christian friend here proves how oblivies he is to reality, to science and critical thinking, confirmation bias set to max.
On the bright side atheism is increasing, it's not surprising with all the understanding we now have it was very conviniante for god to appear during when all sorts of believes existed and that technology was non existent, and that everyone could not read or write.
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What Was Your First Experience In Exposing Yourself To "Apostasy"?
by minimus inas a young teenager, i would look at "apostate" books at the city library.
i was always intrigued as to what was sooo bad and other than a few writings of some that seemed like they hated the witnesses, i would clandestinely look at literature, especially in "christian" bookstores.. it took years for me to finally disconnect.
i will say that ray franz' books enlightened me the most!.
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My first experience was this web site, a while ago, it was an acident, I was looking for the other jw forum .
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.
ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.
london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.
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tec: You are such a friendly person I feel bad posting, the golden rule, but if you think about it, the golden rule can be very immoral, I could go to your house and kill your family but you won't do a thing, because of the golden rule, Now that is immoral.
You are presupposing that Christianity came from Christ, what are you basing that on? If you say the bible then your argument is illogical, if you say god spoke to you then you don't really know if it was god, it could be Satan pretending like he did with Eve/Adam, or you are delusional, hey you wouldn't be a first, there are people making all sorts of claims from Allah to Buddha and aliens.
What about the Ten Commandments tec? You pick and choose what to discuss? Well in psychology that is called confirmation bias.
It does matter that the letters were written in Greek, because we do not have the originals, being so what we have could be forged, edited or completely made up. The level of education matters as well as the vocal tradition has a natural tendency to alter a story when its passed from person to person, its Chinese whispers at a greater scale. The contradictions matter as well because it shows that the presupposed authors of the letters being passed from church to church, all had a different understandings of Jesus and his message, for example before Jesus closes his eyes at the cross did a concerned and depressed Jesus say "Father, Father, why have you forsaken me?" and then died or did a positive Jesus say "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." and then died ? This isn't even scratching the surface of incoherence’s and yet somehow I have to make sense of all this, spend an a lifetime to find the right Christian domination, or listen to you? which you are neither a prophet or an apostle (which ironically the bible warns of)?
Neither you or Kassan are correct in saying that, the fact is that you completely disregard what I wrote, seek Jewish sources of information, not seek Christian sources of Jewish information, I will not entertain this notion anymore, the fact you do not understand the Hebrew translation of the word messiah (yes, the Christian version you do, which not one Hebrew speaking person will agree with you), and that the old testament does not even speak of Jesus, yet Christians borrow a page from the Jehovah’s Whitenesses speaking where the bible is silent.
God bless.
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.
ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.
london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.
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Tec: Moses passed 17 commandments in which 10 are only used and most Christians use a different version of those ten commandments, some are not even followed.
The earliest Christians, the ebionites and the marcionities had completely different views of the bible that we have today; Jesus version of Christianity is not the one preached today, scripture is interpreted from an incoherent collection of books thus is why there are 41,000 different dominations of Christianity.
The book contradicts itself, its written in sophisticated Greek which was not their language, written and translated by authors that we do not know by and transmitted to illiterate people (which was the norm at that time) passed on to other illiterate people.
If you know your ancient global history you would know that Christianity was used by nations to control people for their benefit
The Jews were following those texts... but failed to see that they witness to Christ... something they would know if they were listening to God and to the same Spirit that the prophets who witnessed to Him listened to, rather than relying upon their own interpretation and reason and tradition.
Of course they did because if you ask any breathing Jew today they will show you from the sources that JESUS WAS A FALSE PROPHET, you just use your own version of Christianity without acknowledging what those of the Jewish faith have to say on the matter. Further this substantiates the claim that Roman authorities were tring to control people of the Jewish faith because if you understood the reasons why Pilate condemned Jesus you would know that Jesus is a lunatic for doing what he did during the Jewish traditions.
Have a great and god bless.
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The governing body are so scared... so very, very scared. (see video)
by apocalypse in.
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http://e-watchman.com/home/2012/11/11/who-really-is-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.html.
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What is the point of this conversation? E-watchman is a bit of a looney tune himself and GB believe in their own lies along with all sorts of logical fallacies.
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Perfect spot for street preaching...
by zakharijah in.
the sign seems to give ideas to the brother.... .
(photo taken from ministry ideaz on facebook).
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According to their body language, the 'sister' looking at the camera has her hands behind her back means she is insecure and nervous, her body is not facing the camera but her face and right foot meaning she is intending to approach the person that is taking the photo.
The 'brother's' hands on hips is called the readiness gesture, a feeling of entitlement and ready for confrontation, but being that jw's teach everyone to be salesmen he tries to hide it with his happy face.
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Never Become Enraged with Jehovah (tomorrow's WT Study)....pure vomit
by raymond frantz innever become enraged against jehovah.
(watchtower study 7-13 october).
paragraph 4.
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Be enraged with a homocidal, angry yet happy homophobic sadistic sexist genocidal maniac Jehovah? Never